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Re: [tor-talk] Tor -> VPN Clarification



On 02/01/2015 03:46 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
> On 2/1/2015 3:51 PM, l.m wrote:
>> Now I'm not saying either is better [Case 1, Tor connect to a VPN;
>> Case 2, VPN connect to Tor]
>> but I prefer the one with more variables in my favor.
>>
>> --leeroy
> Thanks.  I read Case 1 & 2 - couple times (need a few more).
> I gather the one with "more variables in my favor" is Case 2 - Using VPN
> to connect to Tor?
> That is the one (some) have said is definitely not good - yes? Still
> others may have said that VPN  connecting to Tor, isn't as bad as some
> have indicated?

As I recall, nobody in this thread has actually opined that "VPN -> Tor"
is "definitely not good". People have quoted Grugq to that effect, from
a 2012 presentation. But nobody here has made an argument for it.

> Observation:  There are a LOT of assumptions about VPNs & adversaries.
> And they may / could be true.  Just sayin'.
> The scenarios you describe, would almost seem to say (equivalent of): 
> "Either of these is *full* of pitfalls, but since I'm gonna die if I
> don't do something, I can pick one (then pray)."

That is insane! Look, maybe I'm a raving lunatic. Fine, ignore me.
Except this bit: For the love of grod, listen to Paul Syverson.[0]

> Reason I ask (about using Tor & *anything* else), is I need to do some
> legitimate, online research.
> Not political / terrorist issues, etc., nor anything socially taboo. 
> But still something I don't want anyone looking over my shoulder.
> 
> And I'm not sure if using TBB by itself (in Windows) is "good enough."

It's not. Use Whonix, or better yet, Qubes with the Whonix-team mods.

[0] https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-January/036644.html

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