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Re: [tor-talk] Tor -> VPN Clarification



As I recall, nobody in this thread has actually opined that "VPN -> Tor"
is "definitely not good". People have quoted Grugq to that effect, from
a 2012 presentation. But nobody here has made an argument for it.

I think leeroy presented some compelling reasons why in his case 1 (easier to do correlation attacks on VPN over Tor etc)


On 02/02/15 00:15, Mirimir wrote:
On 02/01/2015 03:46 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
On 2/1/2015 3:51 PM, l.m wrote:
Now I'm not saying either is better [Case 1, Tor connect to a VPN;
Case 2, VPN connect to Tor]
but I prefer the one with more variables in my favor.

--leeroy
Thanks.  I read Case 1 & 2 - couple times (need a few more).
I gather the one with "more variables in my favor" is Case 2 - Using VPN
to connect to Tor?
That is the one (some) have said is definitely not good - yes? Still
others may have said that VPN  connecting to Tor, isn't as bad as some
have indicated?
As I recall, nobody in this thread has actually opined that "VPN -> Tor"
is "definitely not good". People have quoted Grugq to that effect, from
a 2012 presentation. But nobody here has made an argument for it.

Observation:  There are a LOT of assumptions about VPNs & adversaries.
And they may / could be true.  Just sayin'.
The scenarios you describe, would almost seem to say (equivalent of):
"Either of these is *full* of pitfalls, but since I'm gonna die if I
don't do something, I can pick one (then pray)."
That is insane! Look, maybe I'm a raving lunatic. Fine, ignore me.
Except this bit: For the love of grod, listen to Paul Syverson.[0]

Reason I ask (about using Tor & *anything* else), is I need to do some
legitimate, online research.
Not political / terrorist issues, etc., nor anything socially taboo.
But still something I don't want anyone looking over my shoulder.

And I'm not sure if using TBB by itself (in Windows) is "good enough."
It's not. Use Whonix, or better yet, Qubes with the Whonix-team mods.

[0] https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-January/036644.html


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