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Re: [tor-talk] evidence that Tor isn't "amoral"?



Why don't you write to each other instead of putting it where I see it?

Robert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: juan.g71@gmail.com
> Sent: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:55:46 -0300
> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] evidence that Tor isn't "amoral"?
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:13:46 -0700
> Apple Apple <djjdjdjdjdjdjd32@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 14 Jul 2015 22:31, "Juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>         You just keep vomiting the same corrupt nonsense.
>>> 
>>>         Oh yeah, you are such galant defenders...of americunt
>>>         fascism...which you try to pass as 'fighting oppressive
>>>         regimes'. Sick.
>> 
>> I'm sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say. The Tor
>> project does not have any political motivations or affiliations.
> 
> 
> 	The tor network is a project of the US military. It's a
> 	propaganda tool, among other things <---- the statements look
> 	clear enough to me.
> 
> 
> 	"does not have any political motivations"
> 
> 	Even at face value, your remark is wrong.  The tor project's
> 	alleged goals are to promote free speech, counter censorship,
> 	bla bla. Those are political motivations (of course, they are
> 	different from the actual political motivations mentioned above)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> You
>> are free to use the Tor network to pursue any goal and subvert any
>> government you wish, including the United States.
> 
> 	Sure. (Sorry, I'm literally laughing out loud...)
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> For example, the infamous silk road marketplace provided citizens a
>> means of trading illigal drugs and firearms.
> 
> 	Oh. So some people tried to 'subvert' the authority of the
> 	americunt government - used tor - and where are they now,
> 	exactly? I think they are living in a place called 'jail'.
> 
> 
> 
>> If you search through
>> publicly listed onion domains you will find plenty of conspiratorial
>> and anarchist material on explosives, poison, torture and guerilla
>> warfare mixed with copious amounts of antiamerican/antisemitic
>> propaganda.
> 
> 	Just like in the ordinary web. By the way, what qualifies as
> 	'antiamerican' propaganda in your opinion?
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> For me, supporting Tor is not about supporting *what* information
>> people share, it's about supporting the *principle* that people can
>> share whatever information they want.
> 
> 	Oh, that's a good principle. I also support it. That's why I
> 	(correctly) see the americunt government, its supporters, and
> 	its projects (like tor) for the threat they really are.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> I encourage you to not dwell on our differences of opinion but focus
>> on our mutual desire for anonymous, uncensored access to information,
>> whatever it might be.
> 
> 	Good. So stop supporting the US military, government, and its
> 	projects.
> 
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