Thanks so much for your replies.
On 10/14/2018 09:07 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> Consider utilizing a github / wiki somewhere for this project,
> People can join together to generate the motivations and goals,
> outline areas of research, hacking and acquisitions needed,
> develop workplans, reproducible test setups, progress, results,
> costs, etc. Perhaps also some form of makerspace later on.
Okay. I made these:
- gitlab wiki: https://gitlab.com/xloem/openemissions/wikis/FAQ-and-Discussion
- chat: #openemissions:matrix.org on matrix and #openemissions on freenode
- loomio decision-making group: https://www.loomio.org/g/MYQFl2dC/open-emissions
I struggle with organization and would really appreciate any work to
make things more organized.
If anybody is interested in collaborating actively on this right now,
chat is most convenient for me at the moment.
On 10/14/18, CANNON <cannon AT cannon-ciota.info> wrote:
> Any power going into such a room should use a UPS battery to prevent data
> leakage through power lines/usage.
> (Would power lines become an antennae for electro-magnetic frequency
> leakage?) Would a UPS be sufficient enough for
Your use of 'UPS' seems a little ambiguous here. I have been thinking
of keeping a 12V battery inside the room, and using only DC power. AC
power seems like just another source of emissions to track, to me.
My understanding is that filters are placed on lines to prevent any
but acceptable frequencies being carried on them. The field of
electromagnetic compatibility covers this a lot, I think. Power lines
completely behave as antennae, and couple nearby signals from one end,
to the other, by receiving them and then re-radiating them.
Filtered AC power could be plugged straight into the mains, but I
don't at this time have the experience to trust the filters, and it
complicates construction of the room to make an additional penetration
for the wiring.
> And if network connectivity is needed, to prevent network cables from being
> a carrier of EMF leakage, perhaps fiber optic line?
As above, I think sneakernet is the way to go for highest security.
With regard to fiberoptic transmissions, it seems to me the gold
standard would be open-source transcievers that are shielded to
decrease the utility of compromising them, and a way to sniff the
fiber-optic line to verify it does not carry unexpected data.
I recently prototyped one of these types of systems, just to prevent EMR between different security domains, using off-the-shelf components;
PC <-> Arduino <-> MAX232 <-> Fiber Converter <-> Duplicate (apparently popular for aging SCADA systems, cheaper than BAE Data Diodes - probably just as good.)
Unidirectional properties are as easy to confirm as leaving a fiber cable unplugged. Monitoring the fiber itself is probably hard & expensive - but the signal out of the MAX232s at either end, and going in and out of the microcontrollers, is easy to inspect using a cheap PC attached Logic Analyzer (digital domain smuggling between bits) and Oscilloscope (unlikely analog domain covert channels, which Apple has employed for different reasons.) I used DSLogic kit paired w/ their fork of sigrok. All very straightforward.
IF a transmitter was modified to analyze or retransmitting important parts of EMR over a covert fiber channel, and the receiver was modified to forward clean RS232 and covertly exfil from the fiber side channel, you won't catch it with this setup. Interested in whether it's more feasible to detect side-channels over fiber or verify the transmitters.
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