On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 08:03:13PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > On 07/14/2018 03:25 PM, juan wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:53:55 -0700 > > Mirimir <mirimir AT riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > >> > >> OK, maybe just poor reading comprehension, plus a tendency to fling shit > >> ;) If you reread what I posted, in context -- and actually check out the > >> novels that I cited -- you'll see that I explicitly _did not_ argue > >> "that political problems can be 'solved' by running away". And in fact, > >> that the same political problems show up in virtualities. Worse, even. > >> > >> _Accelerando_ and the "Flower Prince" trilogy both explore virtual > >> dystopias. _Accelerando_ is especially dark. There's lots of running > >> away in _Diaspora_, through multiple levels of reality, but in the end > >> it's painted as pointless. > > > > > > Oh, OK. I'll check those out then =) > > As I recall, _Accelerando_ is unremittingly dark. Although one could say > that the "Flower Prince" trilogy has a happy ending for some, everyone > and everything else gets unhappened. It's a fun read, though. Yeah, the brief "utopia" on Mars gets utterly destroyed (i think the whole planet gets destroyed), there is a war between like 7 people who control planet-sized constructs made of "computronium", all of them trying to accomplish the "Great Common Task" (which is uploading all sentient beings, with or without their consent as I recall), and all sorts of other dark shit in Hannu's stuff. Same with the Alistair Reynolds books I recommended - they are *not* utopian visions of the future, at all. > > >> I admit that _The Last Trumpet Project_ does > >> feature hiding in virtuality, but eventually they come back to kill all > >> the assholes. > > > > I remember you linked a novel a while back in which the good guys beat the statists by developing better 'technology', which is of course wishful thinking and laughable nonsense. I did read like 3/4 of it and it was entertaining, but really naive. I think it might have been that same trumpet project? > > Yeah, that was probably it. In practice, statists will have the best > technology. Because they have the most resources. > > > Anyway, I assumed that the other stuff you linked now was the same sort of utopian stuff. My mistake and I apologize. > > I'm not really into utopian. Dystopian is more fun. If you enjoy > fantasy, I highly recommend Joe Abercrombie's "The First Law" trilogy. > It's rather a satire on "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy. Also Matthew > Stover's "Caine" series. Caine basically channels Aleister Crowley ;) > > >>> ps: I wasnt expecting any answer from you. You should be ignoring me. > >> > >> Thanks for the advice :) > > > > > > my pleasure > > De nada :) > > >> <SNIP> > > > > -- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7
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