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Re: Earth: Growth Is Ending, You Fucked Yourselves, Haha



On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 08:03:13PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> On 07/14/2018 03:25 PM, juan wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:53:55 -0700
> > Mirimir <mirimir AT riseup.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >> OK, maybe just poor reading comprehension, plus a tendency to fling shit
> >> ;) If you reread what I posted, in context -- and actually check out the
> >> novels that I cited -- you'll see that I explicitly _did not_ argue
> >> "that political problems can be 'solved' by running away". And in fact,
> >> that the same political problems show up in virtualities. Worse, even.
> >>
> >> _Accelerando_ and the "Flower Prince" trilogy both explore virtual
> >> dystopias. _Accelerando_ is especially dark. There's lots of running
> >> away in _Diaspora_, through multiple levels of reality, but in the end
> >> it's painted as pointless. 
> > 
> > 
> > 	Oh, OK. I'll check those out then =)
> 
> As I recall, _Accelerando_ is unremittingly dark. Although one could say
> that the "Flower Prince" trilogy has a happy ending for some, everyone
> and everything else gets unhappened. It's a fun read, though.

Yeah, the brief "utopia" on Mars gets utterly destroyed (i think the whole
planet gets destroyed), there is a war between like 7 people who
control planet-sized constructs made of "computronium", all of them
trying to accomplish the "Great Common Task" (which is uploading all
sentient beings, with or without their consent as I recall), and all
sorts of other dark shit in Hannu's stuff. 

Same with the Alistair Reynolds books I recommended - they are *not*
utopian visions of the future, at all.

> 
> >> I admit that _The Last Trumpet Project_ does
> >> feature hiding in virtuality, but eventually they come back to kill all
> >> the assholes.
> > 
> > 	I remember you linked a novel a while back in which the good guys beat the statists by developing better 'technology', which is of course wishful thinking and laughable nonsense. I did read like 3/4 of it and it was entertaining, but really naive. I think it might have been that same trumpet project? 
> 
> Yeah, that was probably it. In practice, statists will have the best
> technology. Because they have the most resources.
> 
> > 	Anyway, I assumed that the other stuff you linked now was the same sort of utopian stuff. My mistake and I apologize. 
> 
> I'm not really into utopian. Dystopian is more fun. If you enjoy
> fantasy, I highly recommend Joe Abercrombie's "The First Law" trilogy.
> It's rather a satire on "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy. Also Matthew
> Stover's "Caine" series. Caine basically channels Aleister Crowley ;)
> 
> >>> ps: I wasnt expecting any answer from you. You should be ignoring me.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the advice :)
> > 
> > 
> > 	my pleasure
> 
> De nada :)
> 
> >> <SNIP>
> > 
> > 

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