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Re: DRAFT version of Federal "Justice" Shutdown Project
- From: juan <juan.g71 AT gmail.com>
- Subject: Re: DRAFT version of Federal "Justice" Shutdown Project
- Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 18:11:52 -0300
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC)
jim bell <jdb10987 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:51:37 PM PDT, Shawn K. Quinn
> <skquinn AT rushpost.com> wrote:
> On 03/20/2018 12:23 AM, jim bell wrote:
> > 'victimless crimes', such as ... illegal re-entry to America
> >I agree with the other examples you cited, but I would not call
> (re-)immigration a victimless crime in all circumstances. I agree our
> immigration laws are broken as currently written and enforced;
> however, dealing with illegal aliens takes resources away from the
> rest of us, especially given that they often do not pay the
> appropriate amount of taxes back into the system compared to someone
> here legally.
> I agree that there are not always sharp demarcation lines between
> victimless-crimes and crimes with a victim. Further, there are
> crimes with a few clear victims (murder, assault, robbery) and crimes
> where the victimization is diffuse (counterfeiting, which arguably
> victimizes anybody using a currency).
the distinction is pretty sharp. Either there's a victim or
not. In the case of theft, murder and counterfeiting all have
victims. Counterfeiting is just a more sophisticated version of
crossing the imaginy boudaries of the americunt nazi state or
any other state is not a crime by any sane, let alone by any
> When I suggest that illegal re-entry is a 'victimless crime', that
> does not mean that there are not other crimes which illegal re-entry
> employs (such as people-smuggling) and further, crimes that it
> enables: Any crime subsequently committed by a person who is
> illegally present in America.
there is no such thing as being 'illegaly present in america'.
this is the A of the ABC of libertarian philosophy.
> Kate Steinle's case in San Francisco
> is an excellent example of this. These crimes are ENABLED because
> the illegal alien is in America.
no such thing as an 'illegal' alien
> If he is out of America, he might
> still commit crimes, but they would be crimes that some other
> government would have to deal with.
> Also, keep in mind that the U.S. government doesn't need to actually
> convict these people of some crime, in order to expel them.
the the fucking, nazi, americunt government has no right to
'expel' anyone. I think you know that?
> simply, if the government had actually been enforcing immigration law
> for the last 30+ years, there might easily be a half-million illegals
what are you talking about? Didn't you say you are a
'libertarian' and an 'anarchist'? Has Jim Bell's mail account
> in America, rather that what I suspect to be, 20 million. (the
> figures bandied commonly about, 11-12 million are nonsense.)
> So, if ICE actually did its job,
.... Jim Bell might want to create a new email account because
this one can't belong to him.
> much of the crime associated with
> illegal aliens simply wouldn't occur.
No point in dealing with the rest of your fascist, 1000% anti
> In that case, it wouldn't
> matter whether we call illegal re-entry "victimless" or "with a
> victim". Generally, it wouldn't occur, or at least not nearly as
> much as today.
> According to this statistic, 31% of all people currently in Federal
> prison are known or suspected illegal aliens.
> Is this merely an accident? This chart shows the number of
> Federal prisoners since 1980:
> When I was released, in 2012, the number of prisoners in Federal
> prison had, I believe, hit a high-water mark of about 219,000 or so.
> Keeping 31% of illegal aliens means that the BOP can employ that many
> more prison staff, etc. Jim Bell