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Re: Is email really that hard?



On 02/22/2017 10:10 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 02:02:50PM -0300, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, at 5:51 AM, oshwm <oshwm AT openmailbox.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 22 February 2017 08:34:43 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl <eugen AT leitl.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who is the list owner these days? If we do not get moderation going I'm
>>>> out of here.
>>>
>>> Bye then :)
>>
>>
>> Eugen,
>>
>> oshwm wasn't being offensive or aggressive.  He/she  (I don't know
>> whether is a girl or a boy, never needed to ask it)  was just
>> informing you  - in a bit ironic way, I admit -  that CP is a list
>> with absolutely NO moderation.
> 
> I really made a mistake back then. This list should have never been
> resurrected in the current form. 

Well, I believe that there have often been multiple cypherpunks lists,
some moderated and some not, but generally sharing messages. Back in the
90s, I was on a filtered list. The main list was mostly spam.

So now, the list is mostly alt-right spam :(

>> I don't know whether Riad is still the list owner and Greg is only
>> managing it, or whether Greg also became the new list owner  (never
>> needed to ask it too, haha),  but both are good persons, kind and
>> very, very, very patient.  I really appreciate a lot both, and hope
> 
> Tolerance and patience will kill even the best list. 

:(

>> nobody annoys them.  :)
>>
>> Take care, be patient and create filters, please.
> 
> This is not the way to keep a list healthy and sane. Pretty soon there
> will be zero traffic passing your filters.

That is a problem. I'm already dropping ~70% of messages, because I
filter on both sender and body. So sometimes, I miss interesting stuff
when someone sane has hijacked a bullshit thread, but doesn't redact
unwanted sender names.

That's easy to fix: redact bullshit and bullshit authors :)

That harder problem is disagreement over what should be filtered. So the
list fragments so much that there's too little activity on any fragment.
That's an argument for moderation.

> It's allright, I haven't read anything worthwhile here in years.

I hope that you're exaggerating ;)