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Re: "Antifascists Have Become the Most Reasonable People in America”
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 21:50:33 -0500
bbrewer <bbrewer AT littledystopia.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:20 PM, juan <juan.g71 AT gmail.com> wrote:
> > Your first statement is plainly wrong.
> > Anarchism is a political philosophy that rejects
> > government BECAUSE government is a criminal enterprise.
> > http://www.dictionary.com/browse/anarchism?s=t
> > "a doctrine urging the abolition of government or
> > governmental restraint as the indispensable condition for full
> > social and political liberty. "
> > People who claim they are against gov't but don't respect
> > rights are NOT anarchists. For example, all the 'anarcho'
> > commie clowns are not really anarchists.
> I was curious about your stance on this matter, actually. I happen to
> agree with you here; share the wealth away, if you wish… But forcing
> someone to belong to such an agreement seems so not anarchist at all
> — It is curious to me as to why so many ‘old tyme’ anarchists thought
> this way.
If you are thinking about 19th century anarchists, I don't know
how many were anti property. Maybe many were, but I can't say
for sure. At any rate, people like Bakunin had interesting
ideas apart from their (not so good) economic analyses.
> For what it’s worth, my license plate reads: “Agorist”. I
> believe in it, and unlike so much writing, I believe the doing is
> what matters.
Yes, true. But the theory needs to be worked out sometimes...
> One can only write so much. (Yes, I realize paying the
> state for such a plate is ironic, but it’s a double edged sword of
> irony, and it costs $25 a year for this pleasure…).
What may be more problematic is that tagging yourself with such
a plate sort of gives the game away?
> Juan, would you define yourself as ‘anarchist without adjectives’?
Not sure. Probably not, because there are some substantial
differences in what different people consider true anarchism.
> > 2. A 'Libertarian' is not NECESSARILY an anarchist.
> > Of course WRONG AGAIN.
> > Libertarianism is based on rights to life liberty and
> > property. Government violates those rights, by definition.
> > So yeah, the only real libertarians are the ones who fully
> > reject government. Advocates of so called 'limited'
> > government on the other hand are frauds and dangerous criminals.
> The notion, and fact, that there are self proclaimed ‘minarchists’
> makes me very very sad and confused indeed. Actually, the ‘party’ of
> libertarianism probably most aligns with this term, no?
More than likely I guess. The serious and academic people who
get invited to cocktail parties are all Respectable Statists.
> Core underlying insane problems here? a) minarchist. Uhhhh. b)
> everyone has their own pieces of the pie that they like; group them;
> guess what? Entire pie. So, useless functionally, and useless
Yes, exactly. Just like some minarchist 'libertarians' believe
in the divine right of the state to control the courts and
police others believe in 'free' state-controlled 'education' or
'healthchare' or 'science' or whatever. And of course the
result is state control of everything.
> >> (example: A person who is opposed to violations of the NAP, but
> >> who has no problem with a 'government' which doesn't employ
> >> violations of NAP.
> > That's pretty much absurd. Governments by definition violate
> > the 'nap'. Governments are based on the "obey or die"
> > 'philosophy'.
> Yup. This is what I said in an earlier post, but far more succinct.
> If you or your group are not forcing beliefs on others who do not
> fully align, well, you ain’t no ‘government’, are ye?
Right. Even the talk about groups doesn't make much sense to
me. Seems like a case of "if you don't like porn, don't watch
porn". One can say that there's a "group of people who don't
like porn" but it's mostly an abstraction. If a member of the
group one day decides that he now likes porn, the porn-haters
have no 'jurisdiction' over him.
> Side note: I find it funny, amusing, depressing, and perhaps
> regretful that so many post from un-attributable accounts. This is my
> name; This is my domain; Domain is registered to the house in which I
> am sitting in, in which my children are sleeping.
Well, you can find my surname in the archives =P
> Accountability in belief goes a long way.