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Re: the most annoying thing about Juan



On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 04:14:24AM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 07/21/2016 03:00 AM, juan wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:54:45 -0600
> > Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
> >>>>> So are you arguing that well-designed backdoors are OK? Or are you
> >>>>> just arguing that US military are dumb enough to think so. That
> >>>>> they're so confident about their superior capabilities?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The latter seems perfectly plausible to me. Groupthink.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 	I don't think the US military are dumb. If you do, then you
> >>> are not thinking as correctly as you should.
> >>
> >> They have done some pretty stupid things.
> > 
> > 	For instance? I think 'stupid' in this context would mean
> > 	"things that reduced their power and influence". I don't think
> > 	the power of the US military, which is of course the heart of
> > 	any state, is decreasing. Quite the contrary. So, I'd describe
> > 	as rather clever in their little brown-children-murdering game.
> 
> They did succeed in taking down the Soviet Union, by forcing it to
> bankrupt itself and disappoint its population.

You give too much credence to the USA - communism as practiced by
Stalin's co-horts (different again from Stalinism the modern political
ideology), is sort of like "democracy as practiced by the Western
governments". Both were essentially fascist, certainly statist and
socialist.

And the massive internal inefficiencies, lack of motivators for those at
the top to improve efficiencies of the society overall, and other
problems, were a very large part of the problem - Bush and Clinton
declaring behind closed doors "fuck it, we won, we will expand NATO all
the way to Russia's borders" is mostly just ego on the part of certain
North Americans.


> But I think that they've
> consistently fucked up in the Middle East.

Ack.


> Generally, they focus too much on short-term objectives, and set
> themselves up for eventual failure. They count too much on brute
> force.

The crazies from the basement are currently running this USA hegemon -
we call them neocons or neo conservatives since they are puppets of the
USA BISMIC - revolving doors and all that, the turbo charging of
sociopathy. In the words of Juan, they're psycopaths! Respecting no
sovereignty, no international law, not the rule of law, not innocence
until proven guilty, no mutual respect for other nations, no respect for
the supreme/ultimate sovereignty of the people (any people - it's own
North American humans or humans anywhere else on the planet).

USA is one seriously psychopathic nation bullying the rest of the world
at the moment and daily droning innumerable humans to death, again all
around the world.

Insanity incarnate.


> > 	Look the US military blew up the WTC to have an excuse to
> > 	impose a global 'cyber' police state. How's their little plan
> > 	proceeding? 
> 
> Short term, it's doing OK. Long term, probably not so good.
> 
> I suspect that the Chinese have pwned them hard.

Let's hope China does not copy the USA's bullying ways when USA falls!

Let's hope for the sake of the world, the the fall of the USA is a soft
landing and not Hillary Psycopath Clinton's world war 3!