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Re: the most annoying thing about Juan



On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 03:54:34AM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> >> when there are no viable
> >> alternatives, is also at best irresponsible. 
> > 
> > 	You know there are alternatives. You just were promoting
> > 	vpns a couple of days ago on tor-talk (and I'm glad you were)
> 
> Nested VPN chains are also vulnerable to global adversaries. It may be
> that all low-latency anonymity systems that can scale to many users are
> vulnerable to global adversaries.

... which are based on current traditional centralised physical network.

Yes.

Which is why, to get out from the GPAs, we must build a home to home,
neighbour to neighbour, suburb to suburb, global physical network.


> > 	YOU ARE MISAPPLYING THE ARGUMENT and I already explained why, 
> > 	twice. Or perhaps ten times. Tor is backdoored by design. GPAs
> > 	have access to the backdoor.
> 
> That's not really a backdoor. You argue that Tor is vulnerable to global
> adversaries, and was designed that way. But it's not just Tor. It seems
> that all low-latency anonymity systems that scale to numerous users are
> vulnerable to global adversaries.

ditto - need a new phy layer

If you don't own it, you don't control it.
It you don't control it, it WILL be used against you.

> >>> 	The 'backdoor' in tor is simply the fact that the US
> >>> military has sabotaged the internet.
> >>
> >> Actually, they pretty much invented it ;)
> > 
> > 	Oh yes. We lived in the stone age before the US miliary
> > 	invented duct tape.
> 
> Pretty much ;) At least, initial development of computers was mainly
> driven by military.

ATI, bought by AMD, was originally registered as Alien Technologies
Incorporated.

They eventually officially changed their name to just ATI.