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Re: comprehending the heart's nationalism



On 07/09/2016 01:29 PM, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 23:03:00 -0600
> Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> 	Was there an option to not join any state?
>>>
>>> I suspect not, but in the context, I think that would literally have
>>> been suicide. Or endless civil war as we see since then (the last
>>> two years) in eastern Ukraine.
>>
>> I find it hard to imagine how anarchist societies could develop in our
>> currently state-dominated world. 
> 
> 	Well, the statists can simply leave the anarchists alone. Sure
> 	it's unlikely, but it's simple. 

Yes, very unlikely.

> 	But my point was that the referendum wasn't especially
> 	pristine. 
> 
> 	The soundest pro russian argument here may be that the russians
> 	didn't raze crimea to the ground...which is something the NATO 
> 	humanitarians were more likely to do.
> 
> 
> 
>> Anarchist societies have survived
>> through isolation, and some still do. But how does that work in places
>> under active state contention?
>>
>> Also, anarchy seems to work best when everyone is more-or-less equally
>> powerful. Everyone has the same weapons, for example. In science
>> fiction, anarchist societies typically depend on some new technology
>> that eliminates states' power monopoly. 
> 
> 	What technologies? The only 'technology' I can imagine making a
> 	difference would be some sort of physical shield that would
> 	make it impossible for individuals to be physically attacked. 

Vinge's bobbles? But then we get to _Marooned in Realtime_.

>> Maybe it'll be the
>> Singularity.
> 
> 	The sigularity is singular bullshit. If anything it seems
> 	likely to replace(i. e. kill) humanity with a bunch of
> 	motherfucking psychos like kurzweil and the rest of master-race
> 	'elite' lunatics.

I like https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/last_trumpet/LTP.pdf :)