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Re: Wikileaks is the Endgame
On 07/01/2016 08:41 PM, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:55:42 -0600
> Mirimir <email@example.com> wrote:
>>> Mirimir <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>> As much as I sympathize for victims of criminal states, I believe
>>>>>> that anonymity systems are essential for protecting privacy and
>>>>>> freedom. I also believe that they may eventually reduce state
>>>>>> power substantially. Although that's seeming more and more like
>>>>>> a dream.
>> Yore reading comprehension sucks ;)
> I don't think so.
>> Read the fucking paragraph that you quoted. It says nothing about Tor.
> Dude! Context!
> The whole discussion was about tor! And at some point
> you said
> "I also believe that they may eventually reduce state
> power substantially"
> "They" stands for "anonymity systems" which in this
> 'context' basically means tor. Even more so since you keep
> repeating that tor is the best system 'we' have.
As I said, your reading comprehension sucks. Or you're just twisting
shit to pretend that you're right.
> So you say that 'anonimity systems' *may eventually* reduce
> state power, from which it follows that RIGHT NOW, THEY
> DON'T. And you further acknowledge that such reduction seems
> like a dream.
> So you basically conceded my point. I simply reading your
> allegedly 'general' comment in a way that underscores the fact
> that tor doesn't work.
It works for many people.
> Would *working* anonimity systems reduce state power? Likely
> yes. Do the current anonimity systems reduce state power? No.
> Especially tor, a creation of the state.
So you keep saying.
>> It's about anonymity systems generally. That's what you're apparently
>> saying is bullshit. Or have I misread you?
> Anonimity systems in general include tor in particular.
Yes, but statements about anonymity systems generally aren't limited to
>> But right now, Tor is the best we have.
> Yeah. You said so a couple of times...
>> So we use it, with suitable
>> precautions. Or we play naked. What else do you suggest?
> I suggest you stop using the pronoun 'we'. *You* find the 'free'
> tax-funded pentagon's 'anonimity' network useful and apparently
> don't care much about the real price of the system.
No, I don't care about the "real price of the system". Why should I?
And, as I said before, people that you hate would be using any effective
anonymity system. So you might as well get over it.
> I further suggest that anybody interested in freedom stay away
> from the pentagon. Doubly so if they are cypherpunk
> 'anarchists' or sympathetic to the cause.
The Pentagon is everywhere, dude ;)