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Re: Wikileaks is the Endgame



On 07/01/2016 01:28 PM, juan wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 19:39:04 -0600
> Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>
>>> 	Yeah. Ask Ulbricht.  Or the guys from agora who made it
>>> quite clear that tor doesn't work. Or freedom hosting, or or or
>>
>> Ulbricht went down because associates fucked up, got busted, and
>> cooperated with investigators. Also, it seems that his OPSEC sucked.
> 
> 	You parroted bullshit from the feds : you earned -10 points

So what do you say actually happened? What are your sources?

> 	[deleted lots of dishonest bullshit]
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>>> But the important point is that
>>>> Tor has overall reduced state power.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 	Yeah well. Sounds nice. Too bad there's zero evidence for
>>> that claim. Actually the claim is pretty absurd. How can a project
>>> 	of the US military whose purpose is to serve the US military
>>> 	and the US state 'reduce state power'? 
>>
>> By providing freedom and privacy for state subjects.
> 
> 
> 	Still waiting for the evidence that 'proves' your absurd claim.

I know quite a few :)

> 	The tor project is good for the military and state. Therefore
> 	it's bad for the military's and the state's victims. 
> 
> 	Buy yeah, first rule of the torbot : play dumb and parrot
> 	propaganda. 
> 
> 
>>
>> As much as I sympathize for victims of criminal states, I believe that
>> anonymity systems are essential for protecting privacy and freedom. I
>> also believe that they may eventually reduce state power
>> substantially. Although that's seeming more and more like a dream.
> 
> 	OK. This is the first reasonable and honest thing you said.
> 
> 	You finally acknowledge that all your bullshit is a
> 	'dream' - it's not reality and not true.

That's fundamentally the cypherpunk dream, I believe. So why do you
bother being on this list, if you think that it's all bullshit?